Sunday, September 25, 2016

Look, and read on

Costco also sold The New Ivy Brand Vintage Classics with packaging stating that it was hand spun, hand woven.

Later, Costco  also did sell "Original, Weatherproof  Vintage" brand (made in Vietnam, not China!!)

I own some of both, and did not keep the packaging, from either.

Go to India, and look at their hand spinning frames.  You will need it for the next post!!


Ruth B said...

Nope! Still no evidence that these shirts are handspun or handwoven. Many of us have checked, quite thoroughly, and your claims are unsubstantiated..l as usual.

Aaron said...

I doubt if you check a hundred sources while trying to answer a thousand questions.

Aaron said...

first try,

New Ivy Mens Button Down Authentic Indian Madras Cotton Plaid Short Sleeve Shirt
and note point point 3 below

100% Cotton
Button Down front with Button Down Collar
Hand wove India Madras Fabric, Hand Dyed
Indian Madras Cotton, 100% Cotton
Front left chest pocket
Machine wash

Ruth B said...

Where does it say hand spun? Nowhere, that's where.

Aaron said...

Folks denied that Ivy Brand was "handspun/handwoven". I simply point out that it was clearly "handwoven". thus the deniers are at least 50% wrong. Where I come from, 50% wrong on a quiz is a failure. When I get something 50% wrong, the deniers are all over me. They are hypocrites. They apply different standards to themselves, than they apply to others.

While I do not see another source indicating the Ivy shirts are "hand spun", the Ivy Brand shirts did have a little tag saying "hand spun". That is why I bought them. I am interested in hand-spun fabrics. Given that I tried to buy an Indian hand spinning frame, and was discouraged by the export tariff, I believed the tag. I still believe it.

The threads in the Ivy Brand shirts are ~5,000 ypp or a little finer implying ~10 tpi. I spin finer woolen singles of that twist at more than a hank per hour. The twist factor for cotton is only 6% more for cotton than it is for wool. Thus, spinning 460 yd cotton (for a yd^2 of fabric) at that grist is like spinning 487 yd of wool at that grist, and I have no problem spinning 560 yds of wool at that grist per hour. If I was paid a dollar per hank (560 yards) spun I would be making the average monthly wage in India. Hand spinning the singles for weaving Ivy Shirts is entirely doable physically and economically. If you cannot spin a hank of 5,600 ypp singles (cotton or wool or per hour (48 minutes of actual spinning); that is not my fault or problem. I been pointing to the paths for such hand spinning for years.

Here we are 5 days into Spinzilla and I have spun enough woolen thread for 10 yard^2 of good traditional flannel. That is half-warp speed; and I am only spinning a couple of hours per day, so that adds up to spinning the yarn for a yard^2 of cloth in about an hour. I do not consider such a rate of spinning difficult. The only issue is spinning fine woolen singles that will withstand all the rigors of being warp.

And, note well, that with my loom's 250 year old technology, it will weave cloth that is more than 2 yards wide, so I am not limited by my small stature and short arms. I can work with inches, yards, hanks, and pounds, and be happy. Be happy in your work!

We have had very good horizontal, double beam looms for a very long time, and yet some still choose to use warp weighted single beam loom; just as is attributed to the weaving of Odysseus' shroud. Note that such weaving was a deliberate delaying tactic, and there is no evidence that Penelope was using the fastest weaving technology that she understood. If in 500 years, someone finds an Ashford Traditional spinning wheel, that will not prove that in the year 2,000 most yarn produced in the world was spun on treadled flyer/bobbin assemblies. Rather, it would only prove that treadled flyer/bobbin assemblies had been invented at sometime previous. Likewise, if Penelope used a single beam warp, weighted loom; that only proves that such looms were known in the Bronze Age, and not that double beam, horizontal looms were not known.